BAR! BAR! BAR! What used to be so plentiful is now endangered in this town. Hopatcong needs another good bar.

Bar! Bar! Bar!

There's so many issues with the property from the septic tank system, to the construction of the building, to the oil tank, to the poor floating dock construction, leaky roof, etc. Also, last time I was in there (2004), it smelled like a cigarette factory and micro brewery. "From the to the"...tear the building down and start over.

Tear it down, tear it down and let it sit vacant. This will deminish it's value, ruin the neighborhood and bring a plague on your house. Get real! Maybe, it will cause the tax base to decrease, ha,ha,ha.
Have I got a deal on a bridge 4U!

I spoke with the owner, John, on Saturday. He told us they hope to be open by the Fourth of July as a bar/eating establishment. Hope they make it!

There's a long history here back to the day when it was once a "Chinese restaurant" of sorts. Operating as the Upper Deck Restaurant & Comedy Club for many years, the place was a nice local place to go for dinner, drinks and entertainment and a welcome change from the typical bar scene at Feurstiens, Kelts Sail Inn/Time Out, The Log Cabin, etc. The Upper Deck created much less stress on the neighborhood and the police. The "rough and ready" crowd didn't typically frequent the place - They didn't fit in. The last owners were running the Tidal Wave on a "shoe string" and had their own personal problems which resulted in the place becoming the dump it ultimately became and eventually going down the toilet completely. There were frequent unexpected closings due to either fights/brawls, license issues, violating local ordinances, septic problems, running out of fuel oil, not paying the electric bill.......Good luck to the new owner(s) - Hope they can bring it back.

Please NOT another bar!!! The last thing this town needs is another place to get alcohol!! Don't we already have 2 liquor factories & quite a few places to get drunk? If this is our way of "having fun" or "relaxing" we are sending our young people the wrong message. What about a good clean family place or altogether different venue? If not, then nothing at all!!! ANYTHING BUT ANOTHER BAR!!!!!

The borough had an offer to turn that area into a "retirement community". I don't know the details but it never came to fruition. Maybe some one else has details on it.

What a about a great little place to get good American food, like flame broiled burgers, hotdogs, po'boy sandwiches, hot soups, sizzling fries w toppings, milkshakes...comfort fun foods that everyone can go to and chill. Its on the water and if done right, it would be a year round place to go. You know...warm lighting, booths, tables, a jukebox....whatever. And a coffee menu would be awesome. We have lots of bars but we also have lots of families. I want good American food and I can't find it.

I agree with Roll Back my brother owns Affordable Automotive which is where old Gellers was and they are giving him a hard time He may have to go in front of the planning/zoning board and the business hasn't changed! still automotive...He's actually a business that is thriving and the town is giving him BS.....

Look.....the last listing for property was $289,000 in September of 2011.

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/446-River-Styx-Rd-Hopatcong-NJ-07843/2141563108_zpid/

It's described as vacant land on Zillow with this listing...BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY. MANY USES - RESTAUR, LIQ STORE, ETC., SEPARATE LIQUOR LIC AVAIL, POPERTY LOCATED IN PROPOSED TOWN CTR LOC, PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FOR DAYCARE CTR.(SITE PLN and ARCH. AVAIL)

End of argument....the building needs to come down! The clean up costs alone with the DEP, then the greasing of the palms in Hopatcong, then the taxes on that business.....it's enough to make you crazy! I had one fella tell me that was willing to develop that land "it's like pushing a rock uphill"! This borough does NOT want new business. They want to keep it QUAINT!

It was so nice and quiet in the cove without the Tidal Wave. No drunks screaming in the parking lot in the middle of the night . The building now is a eye sore. It would be nice to have a restarant with good food and a dinner show. It would be nice to have a nice place to go to and actually stay in Hopatcong.

Heard it was going to be a bar/ restaurant. I know they have been working hard cleaning out the place. Good luck to John in getting it open for the 4th of July!

According to the property record it is now owned by NBSC Holdings, Oak Ridge, NJ

http://tax1.co.monmouth.nj.us/cgi-bin/m4.cgi?&district=1912&block=30707&lot=3&qual=

Who are they?? They buy bankrupt properties and hold them for resale.

http://www.bergendispatch.com/property/sussex/property.aspx?id=1912%7C30707%7C3

What did they pay Hopatcong and what were they going to do?

http://peoplehouses.com/f/NBSb0bd2551-bc75-4fcf-a0e8-90a17799b334.html

NBSC HOLDINGS, INC from OAK RIDGE, NJ 07438 bought a property in Hopatcong Borough on 2010-04-14 at a sale price of $100. The land was assessed at a value of $365700. The building was assessed at a value of $10000. Other owners are RED ANGELS DAYCARE, INC RED ANGELS DAYCARE, INC

Who is Red Angels? That's all I can tell you for now.

http://www.powerprofiles.com/profile/00005152488031/RED+ANGELS+DAYCARE+INC-HOPATCONG-NJ

obvious from the street that the building needs to go,but havent we learned anything from the Madhouse fiasco,something really wrong here,the only way to fix anything in this town is big money and my thoughts are Kellogg will come and scoup us all up after this little town goes belly up and he`ll own the whole dam thing its our future, im sure about that,someones running this show into the ground i just cant figure out who the hell it is!

Just look at who is running the town!

I live around the neighborhood, and yesterday I witnessed a moving truck with the ramp down in the parking lot and I saw movers either bring things in or out of the building! So I'm assuming they must be renovating!

NO!NO! to any more bars and restaurants.What would be nice is a place to attract people to the lake.This is a lake community so having a little sports shop would be nice where you could get fishing bait and tackle and other supplies. Maybe having a coffee bar inside and some tables and chairs were people can meet and have a cup of joe before they set off on the lake for a day of fishing.

There are homes nearby so whatever is there should not be too noisy at night but a pub type establishment with accoustic music (maybe even some musicians you might hear on WNTI or WFUV) and good food would be a great asset. Lots of people getting drunk is not good for the town but a pub where people come primarily for the music and maybe have a beer or 2 (and I mean just that one or 2 not rowdy drunks and not the kind of atmosphere that encourages rowdy drunks) maybe even a brewpub along with some good (but not fancy) food. Think Salt Gastropub or a place like that. The problem isn't that places sell alcohol it's that some people feel the need to drink to excess. If they sell microbrews and decent wines and no hard liquor and no $2 drink specials, it's not the place to get drunk, it's a place to enjoy good music with a drink.

Rumor has it that the building has been bought and a chinese restaurant will be opened. Anyone heard anything different?

The Tidal Wave land and building was on the market between 2008 - 2010 by the former owner but asking about $800K for it, for which it is appraised at for tax purposes in the borough. It ultimately fell into foreclosure and was back on the market in late (Dec) 2011 selling to Lakeland Enterprises, LLC for $225K, down from asking price of $550K. The annual property tax bill on the place is $16K - or about the same as the tax value of about 2.66 houses valued/appraised at $300K.........The building has obviously not been properly maintained for years and is in a terrific state of disrepair - It comes down to cost - is it more economical to restore existing building or do a tear down and rebuild? Castaway's faced a similar issue with their building.

Heck fed up...they might not even get a COO on the property if they aren't working directly with the construction office in this town. When my dock was wiped out a couple years ago with the Noreaster that rolled through, using the exact same footprint, I got wacked because the original plans on file in the office showed the dock was 6" smaller in width. Six inches is the size of the average you know what! I just can't get over what they knit pick you for down there. WTF...it's all about the $.

It will sit empty like every other dead business in town

Beach Bun....you should go to the Council Meeting tonight at the borough building @ 7:30 PM and express your feelings in person to the Mayor. Since they're introducing the budget which includes 3% raises over the next 3 years to all borough management employees, you may want to ask her where she is getting the money for that along with the 2% increase in funding for the schools along with the increases coming from the county. The 5-6% increases in real estate taxes we have been experiencing since 2003 when my wife and I moved here will be a thing of the past. Expect 8-10% this year with the Hurricane Irene excuse. Hell even cash strapped Patterson hit their tax payers with an 18% increase and didn't think twice about the economic implications to businesses in their town. Hopatcong will be no different. Lucky we had a mild winter. Maybe they can take the $ they saved in plowing and salt and roll it over. NOT!

If we have 5 bars in town so be it, it bring people in and makes money. DUI'S are up in quantity but lets be serious now if you haven't got the hint that drinking and driving is illegal by now you deserve to get your licenses revoked for stupidity. Call a cab if it cost you 20 dollars its hell of a lot cheaper than DWI or DUI. plus don't the arrests bring in the town money? Also if your 21 - 26 there is no where to go to have a good time, Castaways is too small even though the people there are prices are right and the food is great. Pavincis is a nice bar if you want to get a cougar but other than that alot of old people plus Mario doesn't want the young crowd there, drinks are to expensive. The tidal wave brought the young crowd in who spent 70-150 per person a night. BRING BACK BOTHER BARS , people like to drink.hopatcong is a drinking community with a boating problem.

My wife and I are from Long Island. Every summer, we visit our son and his family who live in Hopatcong a few yards from the lake. We were disheartened and very surprised when the Tidal Wave closed since we would often bring the family there by boat to have lunch or dinner outside on their patio. The establishment was charming and informal, had a perfect boat-accessible location on the lake and the food was good. Each time we went there, it was always very busy and seemed to have everything going for it. We can only hope that the owners choose to refurbish the structure and re-open the original Tidal Wave.

Tear it down! Its an eyesore the way it is and no amount of "fixing" up is going to change it enough to make it any kind of asset to the community. It would be nice if the property was condemned and taken over by the town to be made available to Hopatcong residents. But if it must be a business, I would like to see a business similar to the Main Lake Market in Jefferson. No alcohol, please!

Wow, threating people now! Very civil

Was he drunk or was he an alcoholic? You should have called the police on the spot. If he would have left the bar and ended up hurting someone, you could have been the one to prevent it.

I guess you're trying to be funny now. Ha! Ha! How about a "drunk" boater who is probably an "alcoholic". His girlfriend assured me she'd drive the boat back.

For those that remember, for quite some time, this was the location of the Upper Deck Restaurant and Comedy Club for a number of years. There was a small bar to the right as you walked in the front door seating no more than 12-15 people with several tables for those waiting for dinner or the show. The location of the current oversized "U" shaped rectangular bar was the dining room. Down stairs was the comedy club which would seat seat approx. 125 at the tables and 20 seat bar. There were 3 shows per weekend. Pat ran a great place for years. The Tidal Wave had it's good points as well as it's bad points - mostly the latter. I believe the place changed hands 3 times under the Tidal Wave name with all the owners/managers contributing to it's down fall with their lack of experience and and inability to run a profitable business with a controlled environment. The last two owners (C&K) killed the place slowly over a 5 year period and ultimately drove the final nail into the coffin. The location has a lot of potential if operated properly and profitably and despite all the grumbling above, it would receive the necessary approvals by the borough officials. During the Tidal Wave years, this place sucked up an enormous amount of police resources and they generally didn't care about being a good neighbor. None of the former owners any control of this "out of control" environment they created.

not a lick of paint or any type of maintenance money ever spent, just greedy people steeling profits,cash right into the pockets.here we go another controlled spiral right into the ground,... im wondering does the town see an taxable benefit at all from these properties

I personally met and spoke with the new owners. They know all about the problems of the past here. They are trying to establish this place as a family restaurant, not a gin mill. Personally, if you bought a house next to or near a bar on a lake you should have known what your getting into.

Does the septic still seep out of the ground in the parking lot?